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> <channel><title>Comments on: WP 2.7 fun: complete hcards</title> <atom:link href="http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=wp-complete-hcards</link> <description>Tweaking Websites</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:43:08 +0000</lastBuildDate> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: trashfamous</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-73974</link> <dc:creator>trashfamous</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:46:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-73974</guid> <description>Just found your video on vimeo. Thanks for sharing this. I have to think about implementation in my blog.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just found your video on vimeo. Thanks for sharing this. I have to think about implementation in my blog.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: seomasterlist (seomasterlist)</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-66550</link> <dc:creator>seomasterlist (seomasterlist)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 01:33:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-66550</guid> <description>WP 2.7 fun: complete hcards: WordPress 2.7 has an awesome new thing: it turns the comments into hCards by defaul.. http://tinyurl.com/5sehlq</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WP 2.7 fun: complete hcards: WordPress 2.7 has an awesome new thing: it turns the comments into hCards by defaul.. <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/5sehlq" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5sehlq</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kristarella (kristarella)</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-66551</link> <dc:creator>kristarella (kristarella)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:09:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-66551</guid> <description>Bookmarked: WP 2.7 fun: complete hcards http://tinyurl.com/5sehlq</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bookmarked: WP 2.7 fun: complete hcards <a
href="http://tinyurl.com/5sehlq" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/5sehlq</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Will Norris</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38413</link> <dc:creator>Will Norris</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 20:15:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38413</guid> <description>@Lynn: Actually the WordPress hCard implementation is just fine.  You wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The link relationship should be fn url, but WP is splitting this into an fn class and adding url into the link itself. While some microformat readers may be able to understand this it just plain doesn&#039;t make sense.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
What about that doesn&#039;t make sense?  Name and URL are two different attributes, so why should one assume that they are always combined?  The reason for them being split like this is because not all commenters leave a URL.  In that case, only the cite tag with the &quot;fn&quot; class will be present... there is no a tag.  While it is slightly different, you can see a similar example on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Natural_language_hCard&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;microformats wiki&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;blockquote&gt;hcards are also supposed to be tied to a name. Therein lies a real problem because while some people will use a real name in comments, most use a nickname or partial name. This could be worked around by adding a field to the comments form for people to select from either real name or nickname and then the appropriate microformat could be applied.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
This is actually not necessary... the hCard spec already handles it.  Read the &lt;a href=&quot;http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Implied_.22nickname.22_Optimization&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Implied &quot;nickname&quot; optimization&lt;/a&gt; section (as well as Implied &quot;n&quot; optimization above that).  Depending on the value of the &quot;fn&quot; attribute, different things are implied.  Could it be made more explicit so there is less ambiguity?  Absolutely, but why clutter up the commenting interface with another input field for something so minor?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Lynn: Actually the WordPress hCard implementation is just fine.  You wrote:</p><blockquote><p>The link relationship should be fn url, but WP is splitting this into an fn class and adding url into the link itself. While some microformat readers may be able to understand this it just plain doesn't make sense.</p></blockquote><p>What about that doesn't make sense?  Name and URL are two different attributes, so why should one assume that they are always combined?  The reason for them being split like this is because not all commenters leave a URL.  In that case, only the cite tag with the "fn" class will be present... there is no a tag.  While it is slightly different, you can see a similar example on the <a
href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard-authoring#Natural_language_hCard" rel="nofollow">microformats wiki</a>.</p><blockquote><p>hcards are also supposed to be tied to a name. Therein lies a real problem because while some people will use a real name in comments, most use a nickname or partial name. This could be worked around by adding a field to the comments form for people to select from either real name or nickname and then the appropriate microformat could be applied.</p></blockquote><p>This is actually not necessary... the hCard spec already handles it.  Read the <a
href="http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard#Implied_.22nickname.22_Optimization" rel="nofollow">Implied "nickname" optimization</a> section (as well as Implied "n" optimization above that).  Depending on the value of the "fn" attribute, different things are implied.  Could it be made more explicit so there is less ambiguity?  Absolutely, but why clutter up the commenting interface with another input field for something so minor?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Lynne</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38409</link> <dc:creator>Lynne</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 01:34:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38409</guid> <description>The implementation of the hcards is not correct unfortunately. The link relationship should be fn url, but WP is splitting this into an fn class and adding url into the link itself. While some microformat readers may be able to understand this it just plain doesn&#039;t make sense. hcards are also supposed to be tied to a name. Therein lies a real problem because while some people will use a real name in comments, most use a nickname or partial name. This could be worked around by adding a field to the comments form for people to select from either real name or nickname and then the appropriate microformat could be applied.Like the WAI-ARIA implementation in 2.7, the implementation of hcards seems to have been poorly thought out. I&#039;m sorry to see that this is included in WP by default as a badly formed hcard is really worse than none at all.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The implementation of the hcards is not correct unfortunately. The link relationship should be fn url, but WP is splitting this into an fn class and adding url into the link itself. While some microformat readers may be able to understand this it just plain doesn't make sense. hcards are also supposed to be tied to a name. Therein lies a real problem because while some people will use a real name in comments, most use a nickname or partial name. This could be worked around by adding a field to the comments form for people to select from either real name or nickname and then the appropriate microformat could be applied.</p><p>Like the WAI-ARIA implementation in 2.7, the implementation of hcards seems to have been poorly thought out. I'm sorry to see that this is included in WP by default as a badly formed hcard is really worse than none at all.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: kOoLiNuS</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38401</link> <dc:creator>kOoLiNuS</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 07:17:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38401</guid> <description>really interesting ... I&#039;ll try it :-D</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really interesting ... I'll try it :-D</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Prepaid Cell Phone Guy</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38385</link> <dc:creator>Prepaid Cell Phone Guy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 14:06:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38385</guid> <description>Hello,
I just found your blog.  I have just started using Wordpress and so far great.  Many of your posts are over my head but more of them would have been two weeks ago.  Thank you for your &quot;classes&quot; on Wordpress.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,<br
/> I just found your blog.  I have just started using Wordpress and so far great.  Many of your posts are over my head but more of them would have been two weeks ago.  Thank you for your "classes" on Wordpress.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joost de Valk</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38384</link> <dc:creator>Joost de Valk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 12:08:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38384</guid> <description>Cool, let me know if it works for you. Do note that you &lt;em&gt;have&lt;/em&gt; to use the 2.7 comment style to be able to use this.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool, let me know if it works for you. Do note that you <em>have</em> to use the 2.7 comment style to be able to use this.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Farrhad A</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38383</link> <dc:creator>Farrhad A</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Dec 2008 11:10:42 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38383</guid> <description>This will be helpful :)
Will install it today</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This will be helpful :)<br
/> Will install it today</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joost de Valk</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38370</link> <dc:creator>Joost de Valk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 14:01:44 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38370</guid> <description>I&#039;ve made a quick screencast Henry, it&#039;s in the post now, hope this answers your question?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I've made a quick screencast Henry, it's in the post now, hope this answers your question?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Joost de Valk</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38369</link> <dc:creator>Joost de Valk</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:08:31 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38369</guid> <description>No, a quicker way to save the details of someone who commented on your blog to your address book for later reference :) I&#039;ll make a quick screencast of what it does.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, a quicker way to save the details of someone who commented on your blog to your address book for later reference :) I'll make a quick screencast of what it does.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Michael Henry</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-38368</link> <dc:creator>Michael Henry</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:42:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-38368</guid> <description>Just like visiting Grandma&#039;s house: I find a picture of me and I&#039;m crossed out!  Ha!Anyway, I don&#039;t use hcards or vcards and I&#039;m sure others don&#039;t also.  What would be gained with the inclusion of the email addresses?  Just an easier way to create a mailing list?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just like visiting Grandma's house: I find a picture of me and I'm crossed out!  Ha!</p><p>Anyway, I don't use hcards or vcards and I'm sure others don't also.  What would be gained with the inclusion of the email addresses?  Just an easier way to create a mailing list?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: invokedprojects (Invoked Projects)</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-66552</link> <dc:creator>invokedprojects (Invoked Projects)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:33:10 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-66552</guid> <description>&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://twitter.com/walesmd&quot;&gt;@walesmd&lt;/a&gt; - http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/walesmd">@walesmd</a> - <a
href="http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/" rel="nofollow">http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: IndianGuru (Satish Talim)</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-66553</link> <dc:creator>IndianGuru (Satish Talim)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:34:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-66553</guid> <description>WP 2.7 fun: complete hcards - http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WP 2.7 fun: complete hcards - <a
href="http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/" rel="nofollow">http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: campingblogger (campingblogger)</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-66554</link> <dc:creator>campingblogger (campingblogger)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 01:33:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-66554</guid> <description>jeesh, Joost is already whacking and hacking 2.7 - I&#039;m a scardy cat and will wait before upgrading http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jeesh, Joost is already whacking and hacking 2.7 - I'm a scardy cat and will wait before upgrading <a
href="http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/" rel="nofollow">http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: joshua_hay (Joshua Hay)</title><link>http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/#comment-66555</link> <dc:creator>joshua_hay (Joshua Hay)</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:03:12 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=1304#comment-66555</guid> <description>&lt;a rel=&quot;nofollow&quot; href=&quot;http://twitter.com/BenTortora&quot;&gt;@BenTortora&lt;/a&gt; http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/ ftw</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
rel="nofollow" href="http://twitter.com/BenTortora">@BenTortora</a> <a
href="http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/" rel="nofollow">http://yoast.com/wp-complete-hcards/</a> ftw</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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