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> <channel><title>Comments on: Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless</title> <atom:link href="http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#utm_source=rss&amp;utm_medium=rss&amp;utm_campaign=measuring-seo-rankings</link> <description>Tweaking Websites</description> <lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:24:08 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=</generator> <xhtml:meta xmlns:xhtml="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml" name="robots" content="noindex" /> <item><title>By: fuse8</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-73989</link> <dc:creator>fuse8</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:56:48 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-73989</guid> <description>I completely agree with Benj Arriola - the title is very catchy but a little harsh.Rankings are not that worthless, they are only worthless in isolation. Without rankings you can not expect people find your services.But I completely agree with the main topic of this well written post - goals and ROI are a true measure of the online success.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I completely agree with Benj Arriola - the title is very catchy but a little harsh.</p><p>Rankings are not that worthless, they are only worthless in isolation. Without rankings you can not expect people find your services.</p><p>But I completely agree with the main topic of this well written post - goals and ROI are a true measure of the online success.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Must read posts for Sep. 10, 2008 &#124; bastian-grimm.com</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-73056</link> <dc:creator>Must read posts for Sep. 10, 2008 &#124; bastian-grimm.com</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 13:52:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-73056</guid> <description>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless &#8211; Eduard Blacquière talks about why not to worry about search rankings anymore but to focus more on other metrics. Interesting point of view (but still you need rankings to reach / measure&#8230;). [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless &#8211; Eduard Blacquière talks about why not to worry about search rankings anymore but to focus more on other metrics. Interesting point of view (but still you need rankings to reach / measure&#8230;). [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: &#187; Seeing is believing: measuring SEO and visualizing results with Wordle Word Clouds &#124; Web Development Blog: Heidi Adams Cool</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-72546</link> <dc:creator>&#187; Seeing is believing: measuring SEO and visualizing results with Wordle Word Clouds &#124; Web Development Blog: Heidi Adams Cool</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:33:19 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-72546</guid> <description>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eduard Blacquière</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-68643</link> <dc:creator>Eduard Blacquière</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 21:26:30 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-68643</guid> <description>@Barry
I agree with you.Rankings are still valuable, especially when combined with traffic data etc.
But as a SEO metric for succes, rankings only are just not enough.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barry<br
/> I agree with you.</p><p>Rankings are still valuable, especially when combined with traffic data etc.<br
/> But as a SEO metric for succes, rankings only are just not enough.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Barry Mills</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-68423</link> <dc:creator>Barry Mills</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:04:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-68423</guid> <description>I agree rankings are flawed, but they are far from worthless. I think personalisation is over-blown, Google doesn&#039;t have enough data on the vast majority of users to personalise, and I test searches from lots of different computers on lots of queries and see the same results most of the time.But the real issue for me is that, as flawed as rankings are, they are still the best metric we have. Measuring traffic or any of the traffic related measures in the original post as an absolute metric is way more flawed than rankings, because it takes no account of seasonality, or general growth in internet traffic. One of our clients ranked really well and got a lot of traffic for search terms like &quot;Christmas gift&quot; in December, but in January it dried up - so we must have really screwed up their SEO, right?  Perhaps traffic metrics as a twelve month moving average have some merit. I don&#039;t think any one metric will ever be enough though, unless someone can figure out how to measure the exact proportion of all the relevant clicks out there you actually got. If anyone knows how to do that and hasn&#039;t yet figured out how to make themselves very rich from the knowledge then please get in touch!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree rankings are flawed, but they are far from worthless. I think personalisation is over-blown, Google doesn't have enough data on the vast majority of users to personalise, and I test searches from lots of different computers on lots of queries and see the same results most of the time.</p><p>But the real issue for me is that, as flawed as rankings are, they are still the best metric we have. Measuring traffic or any of the traffic related measures in the original post as an absolute metric is way more flawed than rankings, because it takes no account of seasonality, or general growth in internet traffic. One of our clients ranked really well and got a lot of traffic for search terms like "Christmas gift" in December, but in January it dried up - so we must have really screwed up their SEO, right?  Perhaps traffic metrics as a twelve month moving average have some merit. I don't think any one metric will ever be enough though, unless someone can figure out how to measure the exact proportion of all the relevant clicks out there you actually got. If anyone knows how to do that and hasn't yet figured out how to make themselves very rich from the knowledge then please get in touch!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Seeing is believing: measuring SEO and visualizing results with Wordle Word Clouds &#124; Web Development Tips</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-68287</link> <dc:creator>Seeing is believing: measuring SEO and visualizing results with Wordle Word Clouds &#124; Web Development Tips</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:31:51 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-68287</guid> <description>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Laura Godfrey</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-67487</link> <dc:creator>Laura Godfrey</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-67487</guid> <description>In some ways I agree with this post; we must not become fixated with trying to figure out what modifications will cause our page ranks to change. On the other hand, I feel that without this system, we are left in the dark and cannot progress our SEO any further. It is very difficult to determine what will work and what will affect the final outcome of your site.&lt;strong&gt;&quot;As a measure of SEO success; CHECKING YOUR RANKS using automated rank checkers is meaningless&quot;.&lt;/strong&gt; - Wouldn&#039;t it be easier to just check it yourself? For each website you will never truly know what is going on with it but with ranking, you can measure what works and how effective your site is working.&lt;strong&gt;”You need something like a zero measurement to start with. What is my ranking, traffic, keywords and conversion at point zero.”&lt;/strong&gt; I completely agree, you must start from the beginning and work your way up.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In some ways I agree with this post; we must not become fixated with trying to figure out what modifications will cause our page ranks to change. On the other hand, I feel that without this system, we are left in the dark and cannot progress our SEO any further. It is very difficult to determine what will work and what will affect the final outcome of your site.</p><p><strong>"As a measure of SEO success; CHECKING YOUR RANKS using automated rank checkers is meaningless".</strong> - Wouldn't it be easier to just check it yourself? For each website you will never truly know what is going on with it but with ranking, you can measure what works and how effective your site is working.</p><p><strong>”You need something like a zero measurement to start with. What is my ranking, traffic, keywords and conversion at point zero.”</strong> I completely agree, you must start from the beginning and work your way up.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Welcome to EduardBlacquiere.com! - Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re&#8217;s Search Marketing Blog</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-37764</link> <dc:creator>Welcome to EduardBlacquiere.com! - Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re&#8217;s Search Marketing Blog</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2008 10:06:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-37764</guid> <description>[...] Joost de Valk asked me to write a guest post at his (English) blog Yoast.com. My article &#8220;Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless&#8221; received some good comments and trackbacks. This was the final trigger to start writing [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Joost de Valk asked me to write a guest post at his (English) blog Yoast.com. My article &#8220;Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless&#8221; received some good comments and trackbacks. This was the final trigger to start writing [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Popular Internet Casinos</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-37684</link> <dc:creator>Popular Internet Casinos</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 31 Oct 2008 13:55:59 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-37684</guid> <description>I agree the mentioned metrics to measure the succes of SEO aren&#039;t never showed before. But I think to many people still worry about rankings although it means pretty much nothing measuring SEO succes</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree the mentioned metrics to measure the succes of SEO aren't never showed before. But I think to many people still worry about rankings although it means pretty much nothing measuring SEO succes</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-37285</link> <dc:creator>Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:19:17 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-37285</guid> <description>@Headland
Thanks, good to hear that!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Headland<br
/> Thanks, good to hear that!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A Playoff Worthy Lineup Of Links - This Month In SEO - 9/08 &#124; TheVanBlog &#124; Van SEO Design</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-37283</link> <dc:creator>A Playoff Worthy Lineup Of Links - This Month In SEO - 9/08 &#124; TheVanBlog &#124; Van SEO Design</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:16:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-37283</guid> <description>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Measuring SEO: why rankings are worthless [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: SEO</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-37277</link> <dc:creator>SEO</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:38:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-37277</guid> <description>seo is userfull</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seo is userfull</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jesper JÃ¸rgensen</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-37210</link> <dc:creator>Jesper JÃ¸rgensen</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 09:19:54 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-37210</guid> <description>Well, relevant and high quality keywords won&#039;t give you traffic without rankings either, so I believe it is more like &quot;you should keep the big picture&quot;</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, relevant and high quality keywords won't give you traffic without rankings either, so I believe it is more like "you should keep the big picture"</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Headland</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-37190</link> <dc:creator>Headland</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:59:28 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-37190</guid> <description>This is an excellent primer to search engine metrics. Too often, rankings mean little, especially when they&#039;re for irrelevant or poor quality keywords. Overall growth of traffic, whether from high ranking short tail keywords, or little searched but multiple long tail keywords, is what&#039;s most important. All in all, your post gives some great insight into how SEO should be.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an excellent primer to search engine metrics. Too often, rankings mean little, especially when they're for irrelevant or poor quality keywords. Overall growth of traffic, whether from high ranking short tail keywords, or little searched but multiple long tail keywords, is what's most important. All in all, your post gives some great insight into how SEO should be.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Promotion Ranking</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-36935</link> <dc:creator>Promotion Ranking</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 06:36:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-36935</guid> <description>We at promotion ranking believes that rankings are not delivering the desired results but it is helping you to enhance your visibility in search engines which is good to create you online brand.Organic rankings are good from the branding point of view. Automated rank checkers are useful but you need to be more aggressive while depending on software manual approach is the best approach.Cheers.
Promotion Ranking</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We at promotion ranking believes that rankings are not delivering the desired results but it is helping you to enhance your visibility in search engines which is good to create you online brand.</p><p>Organic rankings are good from the branding point of view. Automated rank checkers are useful but you need to be more aggressive while depending on software manual approach is the best approach.</p><p>Cheers.<br
/> Promotion Ranking</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Weekly Links Roundup as at 19 September 2008 &#124; How to Trade Shares or Stocks in Bursa Malaysia</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-36758</link> <dc:creator>Weekly Links Roundup as at 19 September 2008 &#124; How to Trade Shares or Stocks in Bursa Malaysia</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 04:25:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-36758</guid> <description>[...] a blog is not easy and I frequently refer to few blogs to find out how to make one blog stand out. Yoast blog is one I followed [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a blog is not easy and I frequently refer to few blogs to find out how to make one blog stand out. Yoast blog is one I followed [...]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Paul Marion</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-36701</link> <dc:creator>Paul Marion</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:06:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-36701</guid> <description>Hey Joost,A question for you. Similar to your blog, I&#039;m using both categories and tags as two ways of structuring content. To prevent duplicate content, which should I prevent from being indexed by google, Tags or Categories? Thx a million.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Joost,</p><p>A question for you. Similar to your blog, I'm using both categories and tags as two ways of structuring content. To prevent duplicate content, which should I prevent from being indexed by google, Tags or Categories? Thx a million.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-36694</link> <dc:creator>Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:11:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-36694</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-36690&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Scott Goodyear&lt;/a&gt;: Good to hear you agree!
At Outrider, the search company where I work, we have several rank checkers and Web position is one of them. We couldn&#039;t retrieve data from Google for a month and I know some other tools had problems as well. That seems to me there&#039;s some blocking going on, but maby I should have formulated it more careful. It&#039;s not important though because it&#039;s about measuring SEO succes beyond rankings, but I think that point is made already ;-)</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href='#comment-36690' rel="nofollow">@Scott Goodyear</a>: Good to hear you agree!<br
/> At Outrider, the search company where I work, we have several rank checkers and Web position is one of them. We couldn't retrieve data from Google for a month and I know some other tools had problems as well. That seems to me there's some blocking going on, but maby I should have formulated it more careful. It's not important though because it's about measuring SEO succes beyond rankings, but I think that point is made already ;-)</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Scott Goodyear</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-36690</link> <dc:creator>Scott Goodyear</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 22:40:49 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-36690</guid> <description>Hi Eduard,
&quot;Google blocking your rank checker Webposition was not an issue I wanted to discuss,&quot; Right, I get that. I agree, there is so much info out there that you might check, gather, work with, in order to come up with better business decisions than rank checking alone. I agree, 100%. As an SEO you want to be smart and tell people your point of view, gain a few clients, etc. but even in your reply just above, why do you continue to say that Google blocked WP? Google didn&#039;t block WP.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Eduard,<br
/> "Google blocking your rank checker Webposition was not an issue I wanted to discuss," Right, I get that. I agree, there is so much info out there that you might check, gather, work with, in order to come up with better business decisions than rank checking alone. I agree, 100%. As an SEO you want to be smart and tell people your point of view, gain a few clients, etc. but even in your reply just above, why do you continue to say that Google blocked WP? Google didn't block WP.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re</title><link>http://yoast.com/measuring-seo-rankings/#comment-36686</link> <dc:creator>Eduard BlacquiÃ¨re</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:31:52 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://yoast.com/?p=965#comment-36686</guid> <description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-36679&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Scott Goodyear&lt;/a&gt;: Thanks for commenting here. Of course I know rank checkers are anticipating on search engines changing. Google blocking your rank checker Webposition was not an issue I wanted to discuss, it&#039;s only a reason to discuss the value of rankings.Your second paragraph says it all: &quot;It [rank checking] is one of a number of stats that you can use to generally see how things are moving along&quot;. The value of rankings doesn&#039;t go further than that: a general overview of how things are moving along. Use more detailed and more meaningful metrics than rankings to determine your SEO succes.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a
href='#comment-36679' rel="nofollow">@Scott Goodyear</a>: Thanks for commenting here. Of course I know rank checkers are anticipating on search engines changing. Google blocking your rank checker Webposition was not an issue I wanted to discuss, it's only a reason to discuss the value of rankings.</p><p>Your second paragraph says it all: "It [rank checking] is one of a number of stats that you can use to generally see how things are moving along". The value of rankings doesn't go further than that: a general overview of how things are moving along. Use more detailed and more meaningful metrics than rankings to determine your SEO succes.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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